Western States Look to Regain Control of Federal Land

Last Friday, 50 political leaders from nine Western states convened in Salt Lake City, Utah for the Legislative Summit on the Transfer of Public Lands. These lawmakers said that the time has come for them to take control of resource-rich federal lands within their borders. They also suggested that the standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the federal government was a problem waiting to happen.

“It’s simply time… the urgency is now,” said Rep. Ken Ivory, a Utah legislator who organized the event along with Montana state senator Jennifer Fielder.

“Those of us who lives in the rural areas know how to take care of lands,” said Fielder. “We have to start managing these lands. It’s the right thing to do for our people, for our environment, for our economy and for our freedoms.” Fielder added that federal land management is hamstrung by bad policies, politicized science and severe federal budget cuts.

The all-day, closed-doors summit was scheduled before the tense standoff between the BLM and the Bundy Ranch over grazing rights and fees allegedly owed to the federal government. However, the incident magnified the issue of federal claims over state land.

The U.S. Constitution (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17) restricts federal ownership of land for very limited purposes outside of Washington, D.C. Unfortunately, the Constitution doesn’t mean much to the feds nowadays.

According to the Congressional Research Service, 93% of the land the federal government claims to own is located in 13 Western states. And the feds own 52% of all the land in Western states. Here’s a partial list of the percentages: Nevada 81, Utah 67, Alaska 62, Idaho 62, Oregon 53, California 48, Wyoming 48, Arizona 42, Colorado 36 and New Mexico 35.

Western Federal Land Grab

Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart (R-Provo) held a press conference with a dozen other attendees after the day-long meeting concluded. “What’s happened in Nevada is really just a symptom of a much larger problem,” said Lockhart. U.S. Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah) also addressed the group over lunch.

Idaho House Speaker Scott Bedke argued that Idaho forests and rangeland managed by his state suffered less damage and watershed degradation than those lands managed by federal agencies.

The Bundy Ranch standoff appears to have been the “canary in the coalmine,” and a preview of a larger battle between Western states and Washington. Let’s hope that more land is transferred back to the states from a bloated and inefficient federal government.

216 Comments

  1. oaking says:

    AS the Constitution prohibits the Federal Government from owning more land than needed to conduct its business and for forts, as soon as a territory became a state, the land should have been managed BY THE STATE!
    While I like the idea of the National parks and National Forests, they are unconstitutional.

    • WVF says:

      oaking, the national parks and national forests could easily become state parks and forests.

      • oaking says:

        Absolutely!!! That would be most welcome, but either way, they should be STATE property. To be used as the state needs. Thanks!

        • Linda says:

          Or they could be sold off to the highest bidder ,most certainly the wealthy guy or corporations ,oil ,gas and coal.

          • aptos 2012 says:

            Could be if the state run by democreeps the are selling they own mother if anybody pay for it!!!

          • Linda says:

            Sorry wrong answer . Those democreeps as you call them run some of the most environmental friendly states with a few exceptions who are really Bluedogs . By in large its the red states that are the climate change deniers greedy to get their hands on the land to sell off to the highest bidder . Good try aptos but remember when you point a finger you have three more pointing back at you.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            It was inevitable..A statist, Obama lap dog pipes up with the tired, and failed …”The Gov’t. will protect you!”

          • Buckindaburg says:

            Linda, when you talk about environmental friendly, you tell all that you are proudly in support of keeping the planet clean. This is not a bad thing that you feel. But you need to look at the big picture when you talk about the Democrat party leading the way regarding environ-friendly.
            Those such as Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi that readily jump up on the podium and tell everyone to cut their carbon footprint, are the ones that jaunt around the world in private plane.Linda, you are caught up watching the left hand, while the right is shoveling crud into the drinking water.
            Whatever changes are taking place in the solar system are not the fault of mankind. You and I and all the people on the planet, will have not one iota of influence on this earth getting hotter or cooler and a couple hundred years of history is not enough to measure anything when it comes to the life of the planet. Wake up girl.

          • Linda says:

            Its not me who needs to wake up its you and all of you here who want to deny that your pollution hasn’t caused climate change . No scientist today will deny it .

          • Scott Todd says:

            Umm, Linda- Bjorn Lomborg denies man is causing it, and he’s far from alone. Besides, our so-called “carbon footprint” is considerably smaller than China’s or India’s. So unless and until we can get them, and a few others like Brazil to participate equally, all our efforts are in vain and will only hamstring our own economy, which is what the political left really wants.

          • Michael says:

            The earth goes though cycles and we can not alter those cycles. However, we could be better managers of our planet and keep it much cleaner than it is.

          • Scott Todd says:

            America is doing quite well in the grand scheme of things. It’s those others I mentioned which need to step up their efforts.

          • CherokeeDan says:

            “No scientist today will deny it”. Really?

            1. Scientists Slam Latest Doomsday Climate Report

            Climatologists and other experts are blasting a new climate change report from the Obama administration, calling it a “litany of doom” that objective scientists won’t take seriously.
            The National Climate Assessment (NCA), an 840-page report compiled by 300 scientists and experts that was released at a White House event on Tuesday, warns that climate change is a clear and present danger.
            “Climate change, once considered an issue for a distant future, has moved firmly into the present,” according to the report.
            Rising temperatures, it asserts, will be responsible not only for more drought, wildfires, flooding, and sea level rise, but also an increased risk of heat-related deaths.
            The report states that the effects of climate change are evident in every region of the country, according to Gary Yohe, a Wesleyan University economist and vice-chair of the NCA advisory committee.
            “One major take-home message is that just about every place in the country has observed that the climate has changed,” he told the Guardian. “It is here and happening, and we are not cherry-picking or fear-mongering.”
            But that is exactly what the experts are seeking to do, critics charge.
            Heartland Institute Senior Fellow James Taylor declared: “Leading authors of this report include staffers for activist groups like the Union of Concerned Scientists, Planet Forward, the Nature Conservancy, and Second Nature. Few objective climate experts will take this report seriously.
            “Even those scientists who are not overtly affiliated with environmental activist groups were almost uniformly on the record as global warming alarmists before being chosen to write this report.”
            Mark Morano offered a round-up of reactions to the global warming report on his Climate Depot website.
            Former Colorado State University climatologist Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.: “That much of the media accepted the NCA without questioning its findings and conclusions either indicates they are naïve or they have chosen to promote a particular agenda and this report fits their goal.”
            Dr. Judith Curry, chairwoman of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology: “The report effectively implies that there is no climate change other than what is caused by humans, and that extreme weather events are equivalent to climate change.
            “Worse yet is the spin being put on this by the Obama administration.”
            Competitive Enterprise Institute Senior Fellow Marlo Lewis: The report is “designed to scare people and build political support for unpopular policies such as carbon taxes. Alarmists offer untrue, unrelenting doom and gloom.”
            Dr. Roy Spencer, principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville: Part of the report “is just simply made up. There is no fingerprint of human-caused versus naturally-caused climate change.”
            Weather Channel Co-founder John Coleman: The report is a “litany of doom,” a “total distortion of the data and an agenda-driven, destructive episode of bad science gone berserk.”
            Climate Depot’s Morano said: “By every measure, so-called extreme weather is showing no trend or declining trends on 50-100-year timescales. Droughts, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes are not increasing due to man-made global warming.
            “Why does the report now call ‘global warming’ a new name, so-called ‘climate disruption’? Simple answer: Due to earth’s failure to warm — no global warming for nearly 18 years — another name was necessary to attempt to gin up fear.
            “This report is predetermined science.”

          • Linda says:

            Cherokee Dan REALLY . A wannabe more likely no Native would agree with Bundy and his terrorists especially when they are trespassing on Navajo land and driving ATV’s through ancient archaeology sites . You phony . Not to mention the insults your buddies here made to me a First Nations ( Ojibwe ) because I said if anyone deserves the land its the First Nations People .

            Right wing Scientists maybe sense everything that Obama puts out they are against even if they were for it when Bush was president. Grasse is a scientist and if you watched his series Cosmos you would have heard his views on climate change . But hey he has no ax to grind like you crazy Tea Party people do !

          • CherokeeDan says:

            You assume I’m an Indian (or a “wannabe”) because of my handle? (I fly a Piper Cherokee…that’s a metal bird that soars like the eagle, for you, a “genuine” indian). You assume I am ok with driving ATVs though “ancient archaeology sites ” (apparently you have no problem with BLM goons driving ATVs “through ancient archaeology sites”). You assume that all scientists who disagree with your beloved president and the government paid scientists who push the myth of man-caused climate change, are “right wing Scientists”? I’ve got news for you little miss “First Nations”… my “buddies” here weren’t insulting you for being a “Ojibwe”…they were insulting you for being an idiot.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            AWESOME!!!!

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Dan, I’m with you about Mother Earth not being hurt by man/woman. I’m not an educated man, have no degree. However, I realize that Mother has to go through changes once in awhile in order to renew herself. I am of mixed heritage, European and American Indian (Lakota Sioux and Iroquois) and as I was growing up I was taught by my elders that we needed to take care of Mother by cleaning up after ourselves and taking from her only what we needed and replenish her as we go, of which I try to do all the time.

            May the Great Spirit watch over you and yours and guide yours and their steps for all eternity.

          • CherokeeDan says:

            Sir, you may not have a degree but you have something far more valuable…a humble sense of decency and service to our country (I too served, though not to retirement… Marine Corps 1967-’71). Peace be with you and yours.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Semper Fi, Devil Dog, and thank for your service. I hope you like that metal bird of yours, I flown in a few over the years. You have a good one, Brother and may the Great Spirit watch over your and yours for all eternity.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            I am a full blooded white man and do more to protect my minute section of the earth than most. I pray that the Gov’t. doesn’t take it away.

          • Michael says:

            Another blood brother. I am British and Cherokee on my Fathers side and Scandinavian / Cherokee on my mothers side who entered this country from the South; settling in Kentucky and Southern Indiana.

            Some of my ancestors moved into Montana in the Late 1800’s from Maine where my fathers family established residency at Sturgeon Creek back in 1635. (Now Kittery, ME)

            My mothers family came over much later; mid 1800’s from Europe.

            Plenty of time to mix blood.

          • Michael says:

            Yes, all this global warming will culminate in another ice age according to many expert scientists. How bad and how long it will last, no one knows, but I firmly believe the independent scientist over those who parrot for the federal government for a pay check.

          • mrstockenstine says:

            You lie. Either you are totally ignorant and live in a vacuum or are, like Obama, a serial liar!

          • Linda says:

            What are you in grade school ,,you lie ? Stay in your own little world with your little mind . Your all too far gone to reason with . See ya I wouldn’t want to be ya !

          • J_in_TX says:

            Maybe you should do a little research and see how your beloved “green energy” is polluting the environment. The rare metals needed to create windmills have created a huge polluted lake in China that humans can’t even go near. It is obvious you are only parroting the lefist mantra and have no idea about pollution and climate change.

          • Linda says:

            Its obvious you are only parroting the right wing mantra .See how that goes ?

          • J_in_TX says:

            Why does your inability to respond in an intelligent manner not surprise me!

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Linda, what type of house you live in, is it made of wood, and what type of heating and cooling system does it have? What type of vehicle do you drive, does it need gas and oil? Where do you get the food that you eat? If you answer wood for the house with either gas or electric, an electric car, it still needs oil for lubricant, and as to food, it needs to get from the farm to your neighborhood grocery before you can put it on your table, you lady are a hypocrite by not abiding by what you preach. Now if you were living in a cave and living the way the Caveman did: no fire, raw meat (road kill), raw veggies. Then I might just might listen to you. Lady, I like my meat cooked, my vehicles (P/U truck and Sedan) so I’ll just go on with my live and enjoy the thing that I earned with the help of the Great Spirit. Oh, I’ll do my share of taking care of Mother Earth trying to save her, like when I go camping I bring back my garbage and sometimes I even pick up the garbage, ( like beer cans thrown into the fire pit, dirty diapers and other unmentionables, hell I’ve even found rubbers) of other people that are too bloody lazy to pick up after themselves. So, Lady before you start preaching to other start by looking at your own house.

          • Michael says:

            That is not true Linda. The only so called scientists that have declared global warming an issue have been those working for the government. The majority of real scientists have proven this false and Al Gore was sued and lost his case in court.

            Yes, humans do damage to our environment. They cause fires and burn millions of acres and the trash almost every place they go simply because they have not been taught respect for nature or this planet.

            Don’t fall for all the political gibberish that has been used to shut down all of our industry and place our citizens on welfare roles. That is just what the Feds have done.

            Lumber, Mining, Ranching and Farming have all been hurt by federal intervention and their friends in the chemical companies that are and have been poisoning every one of us.

          • Johnstoirvin says:

            Linda obviously lives east of the Rockies.

          • Mark says:

            Actually Johnstoirvin, it appears that Linda lives to the far left of reality. In fact, I believe she is so far left, she hasn’t seen reality for years.

          • Johnstoirvin says:

            Sorry, Mark, you’re absolutely right. I was looking at the map upside down.

          • lostdutchman says:

            More like “leased”, with strict limitations?

          • Robert A Hirschmann says:

            Or the Chinese.

    • aptos 2012 says:

      The main problem is this current administration and the Democreeps care less about the constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Michael says:

      There is no reason our State Government can’t care for our Parks and Forests. There is no need for the Federal Government to over see state responsibilities.

    • Chandler says:

      Yes they are and it is the fault of the State government for allowing the take over of the Peoples land. The feds have become all powerful and intimidating when they do not have the right to do so. If our State representatives would stand up and represent there legal citizens in taking back what the feds have taken we all would be better off. The Feds are dictators and rule by fear and intimidation. It is time that the States form a Union and reduce the power of the government that gained the power illegal, and through intimidation and bribery.
      You governors must with your elected officials reprimand and remove the power of Washington the most corrupt government in our times. They the Washington insiders plot to destroy using the illegal in our White House. Stand up America legal citizens and say you are not the owner of all lands, You do not have the right to ignore our laws or Constitution in regards to illegals or anything else. You were formed only to assist the States that is all the power we will allow you to have. I do not know where the government got the power to dictate but it is far past time that we return to the original plans of our forefathers. Return to the Laws of the land and our Constitution and the States push back on the Federal government and put them in there place before it is to late or maybe we waited to long.

  2. darylj46 says:

    Don’t hold your breath on the federal government giving up the land they think they own. The federal government doesn’t care what the states think nor want as the federal government thinks their the supreme ruler of America and what they want to do they will do one way or the other. It is about time that they learn who the people are and that the people are the government.

  3. J. Harp says:

    I certainly hope that the states involved are able to regain control of THEIR land. But I wouldn’t give odds on this happening without all kinds of convulsions from the federal government. This story needs to be followed closely.

  4. freebirds says:

    The states need to take down the federal property signs and put in place state property signs. Send Obama a letter and tell him good by. You no longer own real estate here

    • Linda says:

      So who do you want to own the land ,the oil and gas industry,the coal industry or the rich ranchers ? Trust me putting up Federal land for sale will not give the little guy an acre of land it will go to the wealthy corporations and individuals . So you will be without your state parks for camping and recreation ,your forests where you walk trails and hunt as well as your beaches where you swim and fish . All that is good about our country will be off limits to the average guy/gal. Stop and use your brain before reacting to something you think is a good idea because you think you might benefit from it ,do your research and use rational thought .

      • stopcronycapitalism says:

        If the federal government would actually manage the land and not let it burn up this issue would not exist. The entire issue is about mis-management of what the feds currently control and yet they continue to expand their holdings. Now they are planning to allow private wind farms to take over hundreds of thousands of of acres public lands. They are already doing it in California over the objections of the citizens who actually own the land. There is a point where the current “managers” are so irresponsible in their management that any option starts looking better than the current one. I don’t like the idea of state management of federal lands, but if the feds are going to do the kinds of irresponsible things they currently do, I don’t see how it could be worse than the current situation,

        • Linda says:

          I would rather see a wind farm that gives us clean energy than see an oil rig ,fracking ,coal mine, gas drilling or paved parking lots for big business. We need to clean up our act and stop doing things that pollute our lands,air and water .The states are only concerned with the money they can make selling off this land and who will be the highest bidders if not the four biggest polluters . As far as wild fires they happen naturally its natures way as fire breaks open seeds and a new forest is formed . With overpopulation people are taking more and more of the forest and putting themselves in harms way of natures cycle of rejuvenation . The west coast is the worst with its over population squeezing out forest and wild animals alike .

          • stopcronycapitalism says:

            I would rather see the oil and gas companies have access. At least the land mass destroyed composes fewer acres and they don’t destroy the views for thousands of acres beyond the site. Oil and gas are far less destructive to animals, views and contrary to your comment, there is nothing clean about wind development. Not only that, but the public is paying over $50 per kilowatt hr. in subsidies for the energy compared to just over 60 cents for oil and gas. Pretty much anything that is done with the land would be preferable to wind developments.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Wind turbines kill birds. Don’t take private land from individuals for your precious “green farms”…screw imminent domain!

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Remove the illegals and you may have your dream come true…..but that wouldn’t be groovy would it!

          • crossrammed302 says:

            The trees reseed without fires…they’re all over the place….fire clears the brush…if you don’t. That is what controlled burns are for. What giant city do you live in… seems like you are coming from some Seattle suburb and drink the kool-aid too much.

          • aptos 2012 says:

            Linda you are so brainwashed,you are beyond any possible recovery,I am sorry for you.

          • freebirds says:

            There is no proof that fracking polutes anything. My property in the upper Peninsula of Mi has raw oil seeping from the ground. Trees grow fine and the water is great. Don’t buy into the liberal hug a tree freaks lies

          • J_in_TX says:

            Again, as I said in my previous post, wind farms do not give us clean energy. The manufacturing process is highly damaging to the environment and they are cost prohibitive. They can not survive without subsidies from the taxpayers. So, Linda, you are subsidizing the pollution you are railing against. Get a clue.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            So you are OK taking land from it’s rightful owner for frikken wind farms….YOU are the problem!

        • OSAMA OBAMA says:

          L.A.County is currently stealing land from private owners for “green farms” in the Antelope Valley. So you see, it is a federal, state and local problem, and must be stopped!!!!!

        • aptos 2012 says:

          One of the other worry I have if this runaway government what we have they might yous sell this lands they “own”to the Chinese,or any other government to take care of the wild lavish spending+ interest.

      • aptos 2012 says:

        I am sorry Linda but the Federals NOT during anything to take care of this lands the state pays the Park &Recreation lands in California I assume it is the same in other states,So yes take the lands out of the federal bureaucrats hand and give it back to Us our state tax pay for it why they would have the right to own it?

        • Linda says:

          Why would the state have the right to own land that belongs to the Native people then . If your going to argue that the Federal government doesn’t have the right then I would say fine give it back to the Native people at least I know they would respect the land ,water and air and wouldn’t sell it off to be polluted by industry .

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            The “native people” migrated from China and or Russia.

          • taldock says:

            Go check out some reservations and see for yourself what good stewards of the land the “Native people” are
            Wow! Have you ever been deceived.

          • Buckindaburg says:

            Linda, you need a refresher course on the history of man. The Native people are not native to this hemisphere any more than you are. They migrated from Asia some ten thousand years ago, mostly across the land bridge between Alaska and Asia.
            Which, incidentally, became a land bridge because of the last glacial age, which had ice covering this continent as far as present day St. Louis.
            All that ice melted, causing the oceans to rise to present levels and the only ones around were the people you refer to as Natives.
            So, if you are going to cede the land to the Natives….remember, they allowed all the ice to melt which means they caused global warming on an epic scale at the time.
            Egads!

          • Linda says:

            You are so wrong . That notion that all Native people came from Asia has been debunked by DNA . While some were many are true Natives of this land as well as Canada.

          • Buckindaburg says:

            Linda….there is no debunking….are you so gullible to believe that the people we call Native Americans sprung from the earth?
            Someone needs to run a sample of your DNA to find out if you were dropped from the sky.

          • crossrammed302 says:

            Obviously you haven’t lived near any reservations lately…while I’m not accusing ‘Natives’ of being bad , but the few Natives I’ve met, are not exactly caretakers of the land. Besides….I’m native to Oregon and every year I stress about the fire dangers ofliving in the forest. ..on my one acre lot….oh wait the state of Oregon sold off some of their forest lands to small community developments…. not giant corporations.
            I can tell you that the last thing the state of Oregon would be wanting to do is mismanage their resources. Our area’s main industry are tourism, farming, ranching and forestry. All these things can be accomplished at the same time. Healthy forests are managed and thinned for the health of the trees. If we don’t thin we don’t have forage for the animals….domestic or wild. If the brushes aren’t cleared the fire danger raises…pine needles are fuel. I don’t want my 1 acre lot and house in the woods to burn so I manage my part of the forest. You need to get some real knowledge about what you are supporting because every post you have made here this morning is based in ignorance.

          • Linda says:

            You know what they say about opinions ? You might think I am ignorant but then again who cares what you think you don’t know me !
            I know about forestry and how its managed and I have no problem with forest management done right .

            I don’t live on a reservation but I do know the problems in reservations especially the poor ones but it has nothing to do with whether they are good caretakers of the land it has to do with the same problems we see with the young people in poor white and black areas ,drinking ,drugs and bad acting . Poverty breeds these things .

          • aptos 2012 says:

            I don’t know where you live but I am telling you in central California It isn’t the case The California green tree hugers are as phony as the $3.00 Clinton bill they take care of them self and nothing else.Respect of the land?no such a thing.this people are rotten want to destroy California as use to be a best highly profitable state feeding the whole US,Now almost every business moved out because of the unfriendly Democreep government and High taxis.In the 60-s CA.was $158billion +
            now the democreeps take it over $160billon –
            Linda join they club but as long as I live I will fight against them

          • Scott Todd says:

            The oldest human remains ever discovered on this continent were caucasion.

          • MontieR says:

            The constitution states the federal government can’t own property. Read the constitution.

          • sweetolbob says:

            Darn right, Linda. Give it back to the Indians. They will build eco friendly and green Casinos. Throw in some low taxed cigarettes and some untaxed booze shops and shout COWA BUNGA ! ( Are you old enough to remember that expression from “Buffalo Bob” of the Howdy Doody show ?)

      • OSAMA OBAMA says:

        Wish I had a crystal ball to forsee who will use the land…and by the way darling,…..it is the oil and gas companies that supply the fuel for your Prius, gas for your stove to cook your tofu and heat your sauna! Now go put that “OHILLERY 2016” sticker on that Prius.

        • Linda says:

          First off I am not your darling .
          Sorry ,don’t own a Prius ,couldn’t afford one if I wanted to, wouldn’t vote for Hillary ever , No choice but to cook with either gas or electric and it would more likely be a sweat lodge than a sauna ,lol.
          Looks like your wrong about me on all counts .

      • MontieR says:

        The government is doing EXACTLY what you have described.

      • freebirds says:

        If you used your brain as you have suggested that I didn’t you would notice I said nothing about giving it to the wealthy or anybody for that matter. I said take down the federal signs and put up state signs. Let the states keep it. And you will still have state parks and recreation and so forth. So take your head out of your federal loving liberal arse and you think before you suggest your 2 cents worth. The state land here in Michigan is great. We can hunt it, fish it, camp, and enjoy it. And the state does far better maintaining it then your big government ever dreams of. And revenue from it stays here in my state.

      • OSAMA OBAMA says:

        “Stop and use your brain before reacting to something you think is a good
        idea because you think you might benefit from it ,do your research and
        use rational thought .” Anyone else sick to death of the tired D.N.C. spew!

  5. Silvertip says:

    Maybe States should ask the Indians how they fared in this?

    • Linda says:

      Exactly sense the land didn’t belong to white man at all . If land should be given to anyone it should be given back to the First Nations because the states don’t own it either . My ancestors would rather see the government keep the land for state and national parks than sell it off to the oil,gas and coal industry or some wealthy farmer to pollute . Haven’t you destroyed enough land ?

      • goodwater says:

        Apparently you are a reader of those earth worshipers that publish that rag publication – Mother Earth.

        • Linda says:

          Nope not a reader of Mother Earth but I do worship the earth so if that is what they do then I am in good company.
          Apparently you are related to a jack ass ,forget that I wouldn’t want to insult the poor animal ,your just an ass .

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Wow, nothing that good water said warranted such vitriol……typical response from your ilk!!

          • Linda says:

            One insult deserves another tousi .

          • Guest says:

            Let’s see….indians build casinos or are those protecting the land.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Rainbows and unicorns! This T-bagger recycles, composts, cleans the forest where the flatlanders dump their garbage, save water and shut off the lights my liberal kids leave on…so don’t pontificate how “nature loving ” YOU are.

      • taldock says:

        The Indians legally sold their land. I always wondered where the old saying Indian Giver came from. Now we know.

        • Linda says:

          White mans words just like the Indian Redskins team.
          You know nothing of the history of the Native people .

          • taldock says:

            Maybe the Creeks and the Seminoles will close down their Casinos. I bet they are getting fed up with the White Man’s money.
            The Seminoles charge FSU to use their name.

      • Buckindaburg says:

        Hate to keep beating you up Linda, but to reiterate….Your referral to FIRST NATIONS is a name that none of the Asian migrants called themselves. Your romantic notion that they were the perfect stewards is a stunted offshoot of the seed that was planted by some ill-informed professor that manipulated your young, idealistic mind.
        By your reasoning, no one should own anything because man is probably a mistake of nature and if the animals alone were the inhabitants of this planet, all would be well.

        • Linda says:

          FYI First Nations is what my ancestors the Ojibwe people call themselves and they were not Asian immigrants .
          They certainly didn’t pollute the land they honored it and that is not a romantic notion planted by some ill-informed professor .
          Are you trying to say Native people are not human with that statement that by my reasoning man is a mistake of nature ?
          Nowhere did I say that animals alone should inhabit this planet so don’t put words in my mouth .

          Life will never return to the way it was before the European’s came here ,I can accept that as reality ,what I can’t accept is any more damage done to the land air and water by the sell off of this land when states would put profit over the health of this countries land, air and water. What happens when the air becomes so polluted you can not breath it ,the water so polluted you can’t drink it and the land so polluted you can’t grow food ? Already the air is so polluted that our children have asthma ,our water is contaminated with chemical run offs from fracking and the oceans are dying from oil spills. Need any more proof that your on the wrong path ?

          • Scott Todd says:

            Check out China before you go spouting off about about how bad we’re doing. If the political left had its way we’d be more like them and likely we’d be polluting worse than we are now because we’d not have the economy to afford cleaner technology.

          • cameron says:

            Delusional.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Irrelevant!

          • cameron says:

            Take some tea.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Why do you libturds love high taxes, big, oppressive gubmint, wasteful

            ineffectual bureaucracy? TAKE SOME KOOL-ADE.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Spot on Scott….Libturds won’t be happy till America is a third world nation! We are on our way there.

          • Scott Todd says:

            And you can bet your life the Al Gores, George “Spooky Dude” Soros types have all their wealth squirreled away and will remain wealthy. They think of themselves as being above the rest of us, whereas this country was founded by people who didn’t believe in an aristocracy. I like what Andrew Wilkow says about these types- Socialism/communism is for the people, not the socialists/communists.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Interesting that the libturds vilify the Koch Bros. (capitalists, I presume) but idolize Goerge Soros the progressive socialist!

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Linda, my American Indian side (Lakota Sioux and Iroquois) do not call ourselves this First Nation thing, we call ourselves “The People”. My Grandfather (Lakota) was from the Black Hills (Rosebud area) of Nebraska and my Grandmother (Iroquois) was from the Pennsylvania area and in the language of their Nations, it was just “The People”. I’m proud of my heritage both European and American Indian but I damn sure will not give up what I have earn by the grace of the Great Spirit and the sweat of my brow and take my family and go and live in a cave.

            US Combat Veteran: Vietnam, ’68-’69; Door gunner, 228th Avn. Bn. (ASH), 1st Cav. Div. (AM) and former Armored Cavalry Scout (19D30) and damned proud to have served and would do it again if this wonderful country and its people ever needed me because my oath of enlistment will never expire. (However, not under BHO and his Socialist Regime.) Enlisted into the Army Dec. 20, ’63 and retired from the Id. Air National Guard Apr. 1, ’92 as an E-6.

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      • OSAMA OBAMA says:

        I knew Silvertip’s comment would bring Linda out of the woodwork! LMAO!

  6. Philip Allen says:

    Quit funding and dissolve the BLM. As the US Constitution says the Federal Gov’t is not suppose to own land. It should include the BLM as well. And while defunding the BLM etc. Impeach Pres. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder while your at it!

    • cameron says:

      Impeach based on you didn’t like the outcome of the election. School children stomping your feet. Living in cultural isolation from the rest of the country. Inability to adapt to a changing world. Seriously.

      • capa760 says:

        No ‘Impeach Obama’…… America needs Warrants of Arrest for the criminal acts by Obama, his Cabinet, any member of Congress who has voted against any part of the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, Amendments, US Dept. of Immigration Laws, Border Security, illegal
        acts against our Military denying medical treatment, against religious services by Military Chaplains, denying chapel services, and bibles against America’s Founding Documents Rights. America says nothing about allowing foreign laws into our US Dept. of Law, from any other foreign countries. Our nation was formed on Christian Laws, not Sharia
        Muslim Laws. Murder has been a crime, punishable by US Laws. The overspending of taxpayer dollars, is a crime by this Administration, and scrapping the grossly overspending on a farce of a Software Program is irresponsibly a crime. Do NOT Lean Forward…..
        Let’s Take Back AMERICA NOW.

        • Willie Johnson Jr. says:

          Ccapa760 you are right arrest them all for treason take them to court then a firing squard and shoot then please don’t make them serve time in jail no not on the tax payers money eliminate them and forget them, I AM A UNITED STATE MILITARY VETERAN.

          • capa760 says:

            America thanks you for your service. And All US Veterans deserve a better treatment from a real US President, and George and Laura Bush have spent years meeting and greeting the military personnel at the airports, hospitals, and
            holding a Texas Bar-B-Que for the Military to show their appreciation for the Military Service. P.S. If there are convictions in the courts, that means all of the stupid acts may be reversed, and the PEN and PHONE smashed dead.

          • Francie26 says:

            Your service makes us grateful. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service. But your service does not make you right on this issue. There are many ways to defend out country, and Capa760 has mentioned a few other important ones.

          • Michael says:

            The Soldier defends the country. The Civilian supports the Constitution and surveys the actions of Representatives to insure the government remains Limited and yet, who has failed in their duties to preserve the Sovereignty of this Nation? All citizens who have not defended the Constitution by staying active in the political arena; allowing for corruption of those sent to serve.

            Most natural born citizens of this country could not even pass a citizens test given to immigrants. Shameful.

            Ask any citizen on the street 10 questions out of 100 and if you get one correct answer you will be lucky.

            Who is the Vice President of the United States?
            What is the Resolution of 1780?
            Who was the father of the Revolution? Be careful on this: christian values do not count.
            What territory was purchased from France, by whom and when?
            Who was the 16th President of the United States?
            What war was ended by the Treaty of Ghent? How ever, the Treaty was signed weeks before the war ended. Why?
            Who was President of the United States during WWI?
            Is the Constitution of the United States a Living Document?
            Can the Federal Government own and control State Land and if so, by what Constitutional authority?
            Within the Constitution of the United States it is written as to the requirements for the Federal Government to control State Land. Can you cite the Article, Section and Clause?

            This is not to question honor and respect for our Nation, but just an example of how much US Citizens really know their own history and without knowing history to include the day before, how can one really be expected to understand the founding fathers and they grand gift they gave. Without knowing history, how can one be expected to understand the needs of those who place their lives on the line for freedom and for the citizens of a Nation such as the United States.

            Even the spelling (capitalization of the last two words in the above sentence is incorrect. Do you or the vast majority of citizens understand why?
            I will vie a hint:

            There is a major difference in:
            United States and
            united States.

            Which is correct and why?

          • Michael says:

            Thank you for your service Willie. I am also retired Army and a Vietnam Veteran – disabled by the use of Agent Orange and Quinine.

            I agree, those who have committed Treason should not be allowed to live. They need to be put away for the damage they have done to this country.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Welcome home, Brother, I too am Disabled Vet right leg messed up due to be struck by a 55 gal drum (‘Nam), left leg (Desert Storm), and hearing (27+ yrs of loud noise, explosions). Vietnam ’68 – ’69, Door gunner, 228th Avn Bn (ASH), 1st Cav Div (AM). Again Brother Welcome home and thanks for your service.

            May the Great Spirit watch over you and yours and guide all your steps for all eternity.

          • Michael says:

            Thank you John and welcome home to you. Yes, we saw and lived through some tying times, even as support troops. I was also injured in an accident and spent a month in the hospital in Saigon from Thanksgiving day to Christmas day 67.
            They said I would never walk without a limb again, but they left me in a hotel in Saigon and I walked the 7 Flights up and down every day- several times a day and within three months – No limp. Soon after i was on my way to the delta.

            I remember March 3, 1968, we got hit hard at 2 am. A battery of artillery went up like the forth of July with all the ammo, powder and fuses on a barge next the boat I was on. Mike boat # 43, 1097th Medium Boat Company – River Raider Det. out of Dong Tam.

            Shortly after, I watched as 5 choppers were knocked out of the sky; one right after the other.

            I was in Base Camp some time that Spring and had guard duty on the burn when motors and rockets were pounding the perimter. I was slow getting into the command bunker but got in there just in time to watch AFTV Saigon news showing a tank rolling up a street in Detroit and blowing holes in the side of an apartment complex.

            As I sat there watching I stated, “boy, I am sure glad I am over here where it is safe”

            I was on the way home May 3rd, 68.

            Lots of stories to tell from those 18 month in SE Asia, but I am not going to write a book.

            The Great Spirit has been at my side all my life and I am lucky to have lived through so much to include Agent Orange and Quinine poisoning. I have Diabetes and Thrombocytopenea: Complications from the use of Quinine – depleted blood platelets and bi lateral hearing loss.

            Most of my time was spent in III and IV Corps.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Brother, I was home on leave, here in Idaho, from Germany at that time and I landed in ‘Nam in Jun of ’68 and when we landed it started raining (rockets) and Brother, was I ever scared. Our Pilot came on the air as he was pulling up to the terminal and told us when they popped the hatch we were to hit the deck running and head for the main building there at the Ben wah (?) airport. I was one scared kid, I think I set a record that day for the fastest 100 yrd dash. (LOL). I have a feeling it won’t be much longer before I have to start with the bloody shots because at my last checkup my glucose and triglycerides were some what high. I feel that maybe cause by my exposure to Agent Orange.

            Once again, Brother welcome home and my prayers and well wishes go out to you and yours.

          • Michael says:

            Yes, and how I remember the first day. I had a window seat in one of the old classic Pan American jets with the domes on top. I just spotted the coast of Vietnam and said, “there it is!” Everyone leaned toward the windows to try to see the coast of Vietnam with the exception of one scared kid behind me who lost it and was yelling, “I don’t want to die!”

            He was sedated and soon we were landing at Ben Hoa. We sat on the plan with the doors open for about 15 minutes and the heat was unbelievable. When we deplaned we were hustled into buses for Long Bien and because this was the beginning of the buildup (1966), there were not enough tents to go around. Some of us ended up sleeping in the baggage tent on duffle bags.

            A little after midnight rockets and motors started pounding the compound and you can bet we were digging our way to the bottom of the duffles.

            That night someone opened up with 60 on the perimeter because he saw something and the next morning we found he had shot a water buffalo. (That is expensive!)

            So, we are almost neighbors. I grew up in Eastern Oregon and now live in Washington State about 30 miles from Coeur d’ Alene.

            Have you ever thought about returning to Vietnam to look around?

            Memories!

            Look me up: Author Michael Duane Small Facebook

            Yes, welcome home.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Nope, and the reason why is I damn near lost my kid Brother on June 13, 1970 near “The City” in Cambodia as he served with B Co. 1/5th Cav, 1st Cav Div (AM). The City was a bunker complex located within the 30 klicks radius that Nixon allow our boys to go when they enter Cambodia in pursuit of the NVA.

            I live in Meridian with my beautiful bride of 44 yrs, Yoko, now but grew up in Caldwell.

            Again welcome home, Brother.

      • conductor1 says:

        No, impeach based on violating the Constitution. Why should anyone “adapt” to wrongdoing and erosion of Constitutional liberties? What you imply is “go along to get along”. That’s where those inconvenient principles come in.

        • cameron says:

          The erosion of constitutional liberties? LOL.
          “Inconvenient principles” of the constitution were designed for all. Not just your POV.

          • conductor1 says:

            That’s exactly what Obama and Holder have been doing, laughing at the Constitution.

          • Michael says:

            Sounds like you are a devout Democrat Cameron. I have never been a Democrat or a Republican. Both stand for Special interests and our Governmental responsibilities are to our Constitution.

            It seems to me you are very uneducated when it comes to US History and our founding fathers. To lose our Constitution is to lose our country, our birth rights and to become slaves of the government.

            We have already had our Sovereignty taken away from us. We no longer live under Common Law of the People because we have been forced under Corporate Law.

            We are taxed on everything under the sun and if you follow our founders like Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Madison, etc., you would understand how we have all been raped and robbed.

            A mans home is his castle according to our founders. Do you have a castle you can call yours or do you pay rent to the government to live in your own home? (Property Taxes)

            Enough said.

          • cameron says:

            I will match my educational level with yours any day. As well as my tax returns. Grown ups pay for a civil society, I am happy to do so. Grow up asshole.

        • Michael says:

          Arrest him simply because he has NO Credentials and then try him for his crimes against this country and our citizens. We don’t need to justify his presidency with an impeachment. He is illegal and unconstitutionally installed as the leader of this country. That has been proven; even by his own admission of his birth place.

      • Brent Hamby says:

        You’re a dumbass. Wake up and smell the socialism…

        • cameron says:

          Many in America are disgusted at the wave of bigotry and hate directed at the First Family elected by more than half of the country.

          • Wayne says:

            No we are not mad about who he is, but what he has done. His “open and transparent administration” is even criticized be the left wing media as being duplicitous and closed off. I won’t go into all of the other things they have done but the fact that they have spent more on vacations then anyone else brings my blood pressure way too high. So this Constitutional “professor” should probably have studied it instead on stomping all over it.

          • CherokeeDan says:

            “So this Constitutional “professor” should probably have studied it instead on stomping all over it.” He did study the Constitution…he just didn’t like what it says (being a Marxist and all). The Constitution was adopted to limit what the Federal Gov. can do or, as b o put it, it is a charter of negative liberties for the government and he doesn’t like that one bit; thus, he lied through his teeth when he took the oath of office and promised to “uphold and defend” the Constitution.

          • Wayne says:

            For that alone he should be impeached.

          • Michael says:

            Thanks Cherokee Dan. I will trade you feathers.

          • organicroseski2 says:

            He was a part time instructor. Around here a college professor is tenured, not part time. I have no clue how he could be called a “Constitutional professor.” Wayne, just saw your quote marks–you got it too!

          • Mindy Cameron says:

            Oh my god. Daring to be, not only a black president, but going on vacation as well.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            AH! Here is that Christian hating, burqa wearing Obama leg huncher.

          • Don't need the grief says:

            Yes and all on the taxpayer’s dollar! This guy is the most vacation prone president in history!

          • capa760 says:

            Cameron, our giant news media will NOT TELL the US legal citizens, that the last election should have been VOIDED, since the Obama teams, sabotaged the voting machines to have only one name credited with the vote, shredded Romney ballots, multiple voting by people and precinct workers, How can 141% of the California voters legally vote-they are NOT legally-Obama told them they could (crime). One lady voted six times and has not be arrested, nor the precinct workers. Chicago mob methods and ACORN staff-
            sounds like a Castro/Chavez election in a third world election

          • Cranky Steven says:

            “Our giant news media”? There hasn’t been a free press in a long, long time. It is reduced to a squriming mass of boot licking syncophants each trying to kiss up sloppier than the rest. That includes Bill O’Really and Fox news.

          • sweetolbob says:

            PEOPLE ! This cameron jerk is a democRAT activist.
            IGNORE HIM ! do not answer his snarky little comments supporting the lying, muslim fraud that half the country of racists and liberal, tap[ioca brained fools voted in.
            Let him rant to himself.

          • Michael says:

            I just hope we don’t have to listen to him cry when he is in a fema camp waiting to get his head removed.

          • J_in_TX says:

            You might want to check your figures. He was not elected by more than half the country. He was just barely elected by half of the voters that voted, which was way less than half the country.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Cameron, how many of those votes were from illegals, dead people, or people making multiple votes? Oh yeah not to mention that county back east somewhere that showed 150% voter turn out, which just happened to be more that all the adults that live in that county, what about that?

            WE NEED VOTER ID, NOW!

          • Michael says:

            Don’t tell the media that information. They would not know what to do with it.
            Thanks for Serving.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.) says:

            Anytime, Michael, my oath of enlistment does not have an expiration date. Oh, and that oath (my own addition to it) also stated that I’ll will defend those that can not defend themselves as well as those that will not defend themselves. GOD BLESS THE US OF A and MAY SHE REIGN FOREVER!

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Obumbler and Slick Willy Cliton did not serve.

          • Michael says:

            We did not elect him Cameron. He was selected and trained for the position and we know the election was fixed. However, we can still elect a qualified Black Man or Woman and there are some to include West who would be a great President. Many caucasians would vote for him.

            Bigotry is still a problem in this county on certain blocks in our cities, but for the most part people have become quite tolerant of races and interracial marriage. You are living in the dark ages my friend.

            Look around and see all the high ranking Black people in high office in both government and in civilian life.

            You want to find bigotry, you can find it, but if you want to find tolerance and friendship as well as love between people, you can find that also.

          • conductor1 says:

            You do know that Obama was elected due to overwhelming support among whites in 2008, right? So why would they have become so bigoted and hateful over the last six years? You might want to think about that. With the support Obama initially had, and control of both houses of Congress, he could have accomplished more than any President in history. But it turned out he didn’t like white people (says so in his autobiography), didn’t like America (same for Michelle), didn’t like the Constitution (he was inspired by Marxism), liked pitting people against each other, prefers an adversarial relationship with Congress and the Supreme Court, and prefers blaming others when things don’t go his way. You can keep saying it’s all just bigotry and hate, but you know better.

          • cameron says:

            You might read your post again. Think about your bigotry and hate you hide form yourself.

          • conductor1 says:

            You might read my post again, and not dodge the question! How has Obama LOST the support of white independents, young people, married women, and a portion of blacks? Did they all suddenly become racist after voting for him? Maybe that makes sense in your world, but it doesn’t in the actual world. Remember the phrase coined by the media to explain why Bush I lost respect? “It’s the economy, stupid!” All you need to do is substitute the word POLICIES for economy, and you’ll know what is happening today, and why Democrats running for reelection are distancing themselves from Obama. I grew up with different races, went to school with them, worked with them, worked for them, hired them, served in the military with them, and have friends among them. You know what’s really pathetic? Progressive Socialists using the race card to scam votes. It reflects a fundamental disrespect for minorities.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            How convenient, Obama being black! If ya say a negative thing about his miserable, failed presidency, automatically you are a racist. The most overused word in a libturds vocabulary.

      • disqus_dBIe0mKo35 says:

        Cameron your ignorance amuses me

        • cameron says:

          Sad, angry people here.

          • Robert A Hirschmann says:

            Cameron don’t you realize that Obamas whole agenda from the start was to totally destroy this country? That’s what his “fundimental change” is all about. He does not want us to be oil independent! He does not want us to have jobs! He does not want us to succeed in anything!

            Since he has been in office he has ignored, bypassed and flat out disobeyed our constitution! He added 17 TRILLION dollars to our debt. He crammed Obamacare down our throats He makes laws that are illegal. He uses the power of the presidency to bully, intimidate and prosecute anyone who disagrees with his policies. How long will we let this go on?

            He was brought up to hate America and all it stands for. I am totally against him. I am an American and proud of it. I guess that makes me a racist. I believe in the tea party and what it stands for. Smaller government and obey our constitution. So now I’m a domestic terrorist too. So be it. Call me what you want. I love this country as it was so I call myself a patriot.

          • Michael says:

            Unfortunately, all of us today who are Patriots have never lived under our real Constitution. We have not had a government since 1871 and we sure do not have anything like what we call Sovereignty.

            I refer back to my original blog. Can we get it back?

            We have no real money / wealth / currency. The currency we use belongs to the Federal Reserve of which belongs to the richest square mile on this planet; city center London England.

            Who has destroyed the United States? Many presidential Traitors, to include Obama, both Bush Presidents, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, Johnson, Roosevelt, Wilson.

            Our Congress has been filled with Traitors back to the Act of 1871, when the allowed the conversion of our Nations Capital from a Government to a Corporation.

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Awesome!!!

        • mrstockenstine says:

          It’s not ignorance, just a person who cares more about himself and leftist politics than the good of the country.

      • OSAMA OBAMA says:

        Once again you prove your extreme bias and ignorance! Impeach and then remove from office because we abhor his failed performance and multitude of executive orders to circumvent Congress. Apparently You and your idol Obumbler aren’t aware of the “checks and balances” theory of gov’t. How’s that pen and cell phone working for your D.N.C. ass?

      • Steve Hackett says:

        Nixon was forced to resign having committed far fewer acts of crime, and no acts of treason, than any of the last 3 presidents; And Nobody died at Watergate.

      • Francie26 says:

        Instead of interrupting grownups who are talking, go home and study your American history and the American Constitution. Our country is rife with great historical moments and incredibly great documents. You need to become familiar with them before you open your mouth to display your idiocy..

      • Michael says:

        No Cameron, we follow the Constitution of the United States and our State Constitutions as they were originally written. The world may progress but our Birth Rights must be protected. To change the Constitution to our own liking is to be a Democratic nation of which we are not. The reason we are not is because each person has a voice and a vote and many would give away everything with a simple vote based on total ignorance.

    • Brent Hamby says:

      Truth!!

    • pogrizz says:

      I agree with all you have said

    • sweetolbob says:

      Phillip: I agree but add to your “while you’re at it” list defund and disband the criminal BATFE. We almost had another Waco or Ruby Ridge at the Bundy ranch, which would been in the image of those two BATFE atrosities.

    • jondarmes says:

      Well it’s not much, but it’s a good start.

    • Mark says:

      ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! And here’s the next solution to this problem:

      An Amendment Regarding Federal and State Ownership of Property

      Section 1: Congress shall have power to exercise exclusive Legislation in
      all cases whatsoever, over the District (not exceeding ten Miles square), previously ceded to it by the Legislatures of particular States, in which the United States Government is Seated; and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.

      Section 2: They shall have Power to make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the powers specifically-enumerated in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution; any powers further enumerated in this Article; and all powers specifically vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

      Section 3: Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States…

      Section 4 Congress shall have power to designate properties within the United States and its territories as National Cultural and Natural Heritage Sites, upon receipt of an application of two-thirds of the legislature of any State; and to set uniform rules for maintenance of such properties,
      which shall be enforced by the Legislatures of the Several States.

      Section 5: Any international Treaty ceding said Congressional Authority to
      a foreign legislative Assembly, composed of representatives of foreign Countries, not specifically-vested with such powers by the Constitution, shall immediately be considered Null and Void; in order to protect our many and varied Natural Landmarks and Heritage Sites from the Control of all foreign Nations, and to preserve said properties for ourselves and for our posterity.

      Section 6: Shall any such treaty be declared null and void, United States
      Membership in the international Organization or Agency under which the treaty was originally ratified, and in all related funding Agencies, shall be immediately and irrevocably terminated.

      Section 7 : The Right of the Citizens of the States to maintain, preserve,
      and protect all Natural Landmarks and Heritage Sites within their State of Residence, as part of our uniquely American Cultural Heritage shall not be infringed, diminished suspended, suppressed, or otherwise controlled by by Congress, The President, the Courts, or by any Agency, Bureau or Department of the United States Government, thereof.

      Section 8: Congress shall have power to dispose of all Natural Landmarks and Heritage Sites located in any State, ceding them to the State in which they are located, upon receipt of a formal request of two-thirds of both Houses of the Legislature of the State in which such properties are located.

      Section 9: The United States Departments of Agriculture, (USDA) Interior,
      (DOI), and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the Bureau of Land Management, (B.L.M); shall immediately and permanently return all lands previously seized, under laws of Eminent Domain, to their original owners, along with all fair compensation not previously paid to them, as required by the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution.

      Section 10: The three Departments mentioned in Section 9, shall be immediately and permanently stripped of all Enforcement and Seizure Powers presently exercised by them, in order to safeguard all citizens of the United States from being deprived of life, liberty, or property, due process of Law, or of equal protection under the Law, as set forth in the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution, as said Governmental Entities have repeatedly and endlessly-done using Laws of Eminent Domain, up to the present Day and Time.

      Section 11: This amendment shall take effect immediately following its ratification by the Legislatures of 38 States.

      • Buckindaburg says:

        Your concept of how to take care of the federal land grab is well thought out and presented very well, also.
        Problem is that it calls for a state sponsored constitutional convention which as you well know, requires 34 states to agree to open same….then, 38 states to vote for any amendment. Problems:
        There are not 38 governors that would allow their legislatures even bring a vote to the floor.
        When the constitution was put in place, there were needed, only 9 votes from the states. The numbers are not conducive to get a convention seated, much less get anything amended.
        I would hope I am wrong, but I fear not.

        • Mark says:

          Actually, it would be a Convention of the States, for the purpose of proposing Amendments to the Constitution. There is nothing in Article 5 that allows for a Constitutional Convention, or as some like to call it, a Con-Con.

          Even if the Convention proposes 1,000 amendments, they go to the State Legislatures, and only those ratified by three-fourths of the State Legislatures become Amendments to the Constitution.

          Although I’m trying to create a procedure by which the Convention of the States adopts amendments, forwards them to the State Constitutional Conventions for assembly into a Provisional Constitution for the United States of America; and the provisional Constitution is sent to the State Legislatures for final ratification.

          In that case, (providing I recreate the Amendment that I dumped last night because it’s to complicated, two-thirds of the Convention’s delegates would approve all Amendments, and forward them to the Special State Constitutional Conventions, where three-quarters of the States’ Conventions would ratify them as the Provisional Constitution,
          And three fifths of the States’ legislatures would be needed to ratify the New Constitution, for it to become the Law of the Land.

          Something tells me that no right-minded Conservative would accept that idea. However, let me know if you’re interested , and I’ll try to recreate the Amendment, and post it. Provided I don’t loose my mind, (again) recreating it.

      • Michael says:

        The Resolution of 1781 was agreed on by the Supreme Court and by the Congress. It simply states that the Federal Government may be the custodian of real estate until it becomes a state. One a territory becomes a state the land within its borders belong to that state. That state, being a Sovereign Country with its own Government, national flag has sole authority over its property. The citizens of the Sovereign State, being Sovereign Citizens, like the Federal Government, own their State Government and the property of the State is the property of the People.

        If w only follow history and our founding fathers, we need not amend the constitution. It is not a Living Document and it belongs to the people. The Federal and State Governments are required to follow our Constitutions and our Bill of Rights; their bill of limitations.

        We the People need to get off out back sides and organize so that we may make the demands necessary to take back our Sovereignty.

        Hang a Few Treasonous Senators and Congressmen and people will get the idea that this is a Constitutional Republic with property rights and personal rights that can not be taken away.

        Do nothing but show fists and make noise and nothing will be saved.

    • flamegonesilver says:

      Philip….HEAR! HEAR!

    • Chandler says:

      The site keeps removing my post. Government at it yet again. Google it Wyoming Land owner threatened with 75.000 a day for pond on his land.

    • Chandler says:

      Google this please, EPA the feds is threatening a Wyoming land owner with a 75,000 dollar a day fine for building a pond on his land.

    • Buckindaburg says:

      Your point regarding the federal govt. owning land is a good one. The feds can be allotted a small plot of land to establish itself. Years ago, when the feds began setting aside land for other than settlement, it was said to be for the creation of national parks and or sanctuaries for wild life or recreation.
      As is usual, once it had it’s foot in that door, it expanded it’s scope.
      My fear is that while the feds will not allow development, it will also not allow private citizens to use the land for recreation or prospecting.
      It is not uncommon to see a federal unit…equipment and several people, taking core samples and assaying minerals and anything of value.
      Rather than allowing some vagabond prospector to get lucky and claim something of value, the feds themselves would fun such finds and reap any and all production of any value.

  7. TLN2 says:

    Please look at this:

    http://www.csgwest.org/annualmeeting/documents/CSGPublicLand-Barrus.pdf

    States like Nevada and New Mexico are drags on the national debt because they do not have the income from their lands. This needs to be corrected. I hope the states require that purchasers of this land be residents of the state. Santa Fe is already an annex of California.

    • WVF says:

      TLN2, you might be correct about Nevada and New Mexico being a drag on the national debt, but Dingy Harry Reid of Nevada is the greatest drag of all to Nevada and the United States of America!

  8. WVF says:

    There simply is no reason for the federal government to own millions of acres of land. All federal lands within the borders of any state should immediately be ceded to that state, PERIOD!

  9. wheldon rumproast says:

    States rights vs federal law. Sounds like an issue that was resolved about 1-1/2 centuries ago, at the conclusion of the Civil War. Sessesionists lost, get over it.

    • stopcronycapitalism says:

      I agree–Unfortunately, the federal government does not follow their own laws. If they did, the land would be in the hands of the states and the issue would not exist.

    • Buckindaburg says:

      We are talking about two separate entities here. States rights and states leaving the union. A previous comment made reference to once a territory became a state, all land within those borders should then belong to that state.

  10. disqus_oajLzmvtVa says:

    Living in a state that over 60% is governed by the feds is absolutely a hand cuffed feeling. Forests closed to huckle berry picking. Forests closed to hunting. Forests closed to hiking. Forests closed to biking. You name it there closed but until they need (the bureaucrats) help to fight the millions of acres of fires that they can’t control. We need our land. Our state can handle those 60% and the fires too.

  11. Forrest says:

    No doubt. enough said. The Feds are people we are “fed” up with. Our States deserve the lands within their borders, it is not a “Federal Border” it is a State border. If each State were to own their land within the border – they can also be a tax laden boon to the States coffers when people – “common people” buy up the lands the “fed” has the BLM jurisdiction over – dismantle the BLM into a nothing meaning and let the State look to it’s own jurisdiction. Water shed? Private owned? name it and all could be settled law…we deserve so after 1 1/2 centuries of the same old idea…open lands. “Wow” what a statement… so let it be written – so let it be done……….Forrest in Utah

    • Linda says:

      Forrest you said ,If each State were to own their land within the border – they can also be a tax laden boon to the States coffers when people – “common people” buy up the lands the “fed” has the BLM jurisdiction over – dismantle the BLM into a nothing meaning and let the State look to it’s own jurisdiction.

      Really ? The common man will buy up the land ? Ever see a politician especially in red states turn down a billionaires offer to buy land and sell it to a common man for less money ? Who are you people trying to kid ? This is the BS the Koch brothers and his ilk would want you to believe so they can get their greedy paws on the land to build up more of their wealth with industries such as oil .

      • OSAMA OBAMA says:

        Didn’t take long to spew the D.N.C talking points…..let me help you out !!..conspiracies, racists, Bushes fault, gun nuts…….

  12. William Revis says:

    What about the Native American Lands does U.S. Government really have ownership over them or the Native Americans have total control which is it.?

    • taldock says:

      Native Americans sold their to the govt. many years ago.

      • William Revis says:

        So the land they are purchasing now from profits on oil and live stock and deeding to the tribe under the nations name is still owned by them or forfeited to the U.S. Gov

      • Linda says:

        BS most of the land was stolen not bought as you say . Those who did sell land were tricked into it and didn’t understand what they were signing. When the settlers wanted the land they killed off the Natives who were living on that land and when they killed off millions of them so they could out number them they took what they wanted and forced the indians to live on reservations on land they didn’t want .

        • taldock says:

          Wrong. Even in cases where the land was stolen or somebody tricked the Indians into selling have been redone and the Indians have been completely compensated. They have even been given casinos that pay off perpetually.
          Many Indians like the reservations so well that they refuse to leave.

          • cameron says:

            This is comment demonstrates the lack of understanding of the reality of history. The individual tribes were often not dealt with directly. Many lost control of land and a way of life with no representation or knowledge.

            As to earnings from casinoes, many tribes are not even recognized or have a means to these businesses. As for leaving a home, you might refuse to leave yours as well.

            The arrogance in the above is astounding.

        • taldock says:

          You are the one who has been tricked. Be careful. Don’t fall for any more scams.

    • crossrammed302 says:

      The government has control of the Native Americans…they keep them on the reservations…like the try to keep the poor in the inner cities. ..with welfare, housing and an idea of being free.

      • Traveller62 says:

        Not exactly. The Five Tribes in Oklahoma are doing a very good job of keeping THEIR land theirs. As far as I know, there are NO reservations in Oklahoma. With the casinos on Indian land, and everyone flocking to those casinos, that keeps the money flowing.

      • Linda says:

        Ask yourself why there are so many poor people in such a rich country ?

        • OSAMA OBAMA says:

          It’s poor choices! Don’t try to blame it on the white man, boogy man, the Koch Brothers or anything else.

    • Linda says:

      Native American’s should have total control over their land and not the government ,but that isn’t the issue here is it . The issue is allowing states to own the land to sell it off to the highest bidder .

  13. Buckindaburg says:

    For some that think this land should belong to the Natives that first occupied it…remember, they too were immigrants. The majority came across the Bering land bridge which was there due to the last, great glacial age. Wonder what caused all that ice to melt?

    For those that think the land should belong to the feds, it did originally, but as Oak mentioned, once a territory became a state all land within it’s borders should have then belonged to that state.
    My greatest fear is that the federal government has driven our national debt continually higher. We owe so much to foreign countries, namely China, and the day may come that those countries are no longer happy with our promises. They may want drilling and excavation rights to harvest OUR natural resources. The Federal Government is not a bunch of weasels in Washington, DC…it is WE THE PEOPLE. This land is ours and WE should have the right to determine how it should be handled.

    • Linda says:

      As you said Some Natives came here over a land bridge from Asia ,some were already here but either way they were the occupants of this country until whites from Europe wiped millions of them out with diseases and killing them .Their land was robbed from them, so yes if anyone deserves to own this land its the Native people .

    • Don't need the grief says:

      It’s probably too late now. The criminal corporate, bankster US government has more than likely used all those lands and resources as collateral to finance our profligate spending and borrowing from China and other creditor nations. Eventually those creditors are going to foreclose and repossess that collateral right under our noses and Obama’s Homeland Security Army will help them enforce the repossession of that collateral. maybe even our own army will be involved. What then?.

  14. Oscar Pearson says:

    Tell the Feds to go away quietly but go away. They prove by their actions they have no clue!

  15. cameron says:

    Doesn’t matter if you all want to get the land back. Some organization be it national or state will need to care for it. That means responsibility. Cliven Bundy had no special right to that land over anyone else…this is not the frigging wild west. When the fires come….just don’t expect the federal government to send help. You manage it. Done.

    • aptos 2012 says:

      This a most stupid statements I read.The Feds going to sell this lands to get out of they lavish spending spree Soon the Chinese going to be your neighbor,I guess you will like that right?

      • cameron says:

        Omg you people are insane. Seriously, have you been living in a bomb shelter all of these years?

        • aptos 2012 says:

          No I am living in reality just watch what is going on.

          • Average Joe says:

            What an IDIOT The new York times Has been in Washington’s back pocket for DECADES!

          • OSAMA OBAMA says:

            Cameron, you are just ignorant, but Mindy???As all of your libturd ilk…HYPOCRITES! Now go back home where your husband will beat you and stone your daughter. Don’t forget your burqa.

          • Don't need the grief says:

            OMG the NY Times is the biggest lyingiest, corporate/government propagandist mouthpiece rag in the entire US. Hell they are still claiming that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction that justified the destruction of one of the most advanced countries in the Middle East which DC and their corporate whore pals have returned to the stone age and the carnage continues to this day.
            .
            Now people like you are going to tell us that we should allow the same criminals in DC to manage millions of acres of state’s lands and their natural resources for the betterment of the Country? Surely you jest!
            Just look at their track record wherever they’ve gone.
            The US leaves them like the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse would wherever they go! They have done the same here in many instances.

          • Mindy Cameron says:

            Crazy Christians think you can control the world. Guess what, your not the only belief system or religion in the world. You are old and dying and your power that you likely never had yourself is going. Good riddance to your racist ignorance.

          • Don't need the grief says:

            Better fasten your seat belt Mindy, feminist hypocrite and progressive whacko.
            Your movement is about to be eclipsed by over 100 million white Christan, heterosexual males. When we vote, we vote in a cohesive block, not like flighty females that vote for candidates because they think they’re cute or you like the way they dress.
            Men have let you get away with this stupidity for a long time but no more. Giving females the vote was a classic blunder on our part so we will just have to rectify that error in judgment. You should have not waged war on us White, Heterosexual, Christian Males because paybacks are going to be a bitch!
            You feminist, progressive, war monger statists will have to get used becoming females again.

      • Fleendar the magnificent says:

        There are a couple options here for the land grab. Yes, selling to China in exchange for debt forgiveness IS one of them. There’s no doubt that the Chinese have already targeted Bundy’s land for their solar operation, and Reid’s son is all to eager to sell it to them. However, there is another reason for a large federal land grab. Agenda 21.
        This program is designed to remove our rights to own private property. It’s a very deep and complex program that was instituted in 1992 when Bush Sr. signed us into it without our consent. He signed us onto the UN agenda 21 program which pledged us to adopt UN environmentalism policies. However, the UN cannot enforce policy law in the CONUS and their policies aren’t valid or law UNLESS they are adopted and ratified. Once adopted, THEN they become law within the CONUS.
        Anyhow. The end result is that the gov’t takes back over 50% of the land in the USA and returns it to pristine wilderness via the re-wilding program. This means that massive swaths of land must be cleared of human inhabitance, taken back, made off limits and the people displaced moved into large high rise cities. It’s all here to see online and it *is* real and it *is* happening. I urge others to do a little research on AG-21 and there’s some very good reference pages on face book about it. There are also corridor and land-use maps online to show the extent of the AG-21 grasp of control.
        Give this a look-see if you want. It’s very informative and shocking.

  16. cameron says:

    Look, your Romney/Koch crowd wants to develop natural resources. Don’t dress it up as some moral issue having anything to do with freedom and ownership for the states.
    They rattle the cages of tea baggers with some moralistic anti gay, anti non christian anti anything to get them agitated, but in the end, few pockets will be lined except there’s.
    Good lord, talk to the people in North Dakota who actually live there, see what they think. Aside from private owners developing their own land mineral rights, if they actually own and have them.. the rest of the oil industry has been an invasive nightmare for them.

    • OSAMA OBAMA says:

      Why do you Big Gov’t. statists hate people that want less failed, lazy,
      ineffective, expensive bureaucracy, less taxes to pay for the above, Christians, Constitution protectors, families, 1st. and 2nd. amendment followers, workers, providers, creators, doers?????

      • Mindy Cameron says:

        You people are loosers and so you blame the government. Probably living off of it as well.

        • OSAMA OBAMA says:

          Hey toots, explain your D.N.C. talking points spewage, or ask your professor to.

  17. disqus_dBIe0mKo35 says:

    The federal Government isn’t even supposed to own any land period so whatever these sleazy Politicians are doing is illegal

  18. Buckindaburg says:

    Linda….no matter that your grandparents came from what is now Canada. All humans began walking upright in Africa a few million years ago. What you need to ask is why all the Native Americans that were here when the glaciers began melting, what they were doing to make the earth so hot?

    There were no SUV’s….no greedy businessmen burning coal and oil and polluting the sky from smoke stacks. While you might want to believe the stories handed down from generation to generation about how noble the red man was….he was no more than a human being who happened to be living in the stone age when the first white men landed here.
    Those white men exploited a simplistic people…took advantage of their naivete and essentially took the land.

    Unfortunately, man has done this to other men since he first wanted what the other one had. It’s in the DNA of humans. The only reason the red men did not wipe out the animals of this continent is because there were not enough of them. They did manage to wipe out several species long before white men stepped ashore.
    I cannot believe that you think that the red man was here since the beginning of humans on the planet.

  19. Forrest says:

    Linda – you are one person who seems to think you know everything bout anything. Educated? Possibly? If so then you really need to open your open your eyes to the world we “all” live in. Show me “you know it all, don’t you?” Where in the Constitution of the USA does it show that “FEDERAL CONTROL is listed” on land holdings within each State’s border…Parks, and holdings by “our” Federal Government should by all means be listed as they are… but 35%-60 some odd percent of states here in the West we find Federal Control by BLM name is wrong – flat, plain wrong. We are not asking for total control of Parks and Recreation handles by “FED” but the major part of the Western States are handled by the “FED” and should “not be”..now I notice you take a lot of room with your replies which seem to be given “LIBERALLY.” Everything the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has put it’s hand on in the long run is bankrupt or in total disarray because of “mismanagement.” Prove me wrong there!! Social Security – Medicare just to name a couple along with the Postal Service. Need I say more to appease you. Please open your eyes to the real picture and without a lot of hoop laaaw come ‘really clean’ with real answers Miss know everything….

  20. JCWS1 says:

    Good God, what ever happened to Nevada ?
    The feds claim to own almost all the land there.

  21. Michael says:

    Most people have no idea what has happened to the United States. They can’t explain Sovereignty so they don’t have any idea what it would be like to be a Sovereign Citizen, living in a Sovereign States, with a National Flag over a Sovereign Nation.

    Fact: We lost the Revolution: The British were beat militarily, but the Rothschilds convinced King George that to continue to do battle in the US was not worth the expense. They regrouped and attacked politically through our Financial system; creating a National Bank to furnish currency; Fiat Currency with at system called fractional Banking.

    They were kicked out by Jefferson and jackson. Lincoln refused to do business with the bankers and was assassinated. However, the National Banking Act of 1864 by Sec. of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase opened the doors for Corporate Control and the Act of 1871 converted Washington DC from a Government to a Corporation.

    Our system of laws were based upon the Common Law of man but with the Act of 1871 the conversion of our system of laws were changed from Common Law to Corporate law or the law of the Seas; known also as The Kings Law.

    Traitors allowed the 16th Amendment instituting the Federal Reserve; a private banking corporation owned by A Corporation. At the same time they removed our state protection by our Senators by enacting the 17th Amendment.

    Under Roosevelt, we lost our right to own gold and the building of the federal government and the encroachment upon the State Lands began.

    Eisenhower warned the citizens of the United States in his departure speech.

    Kennedy warned the Citizens of the United States one week before he was assassinated. He asked for help, but the citizens of this country were to ignorant of the problems he was talking about and we lost a President.

    Nixon removed the Gold Standard and we were on our way into a life of Credit, starting with the first Credit cards to full blown credit for everything; enslaving us to the Bankers for life.

    Federal Income Tax was a measure to steal the peoples wealth along with the theft of private money in a program of savings for volunteers: Social Security. Now even social security is bankrupt.

    For a Capitalist Nation where the sky is the limit for opportunities and the building of dreams while acquiring wealth to live our dreams, we were so ignorant we let the criminals control our Government, buy off our Congress and rape our States by insuring the vast wealth within the states would be shut down; placing a vast number of people on welfare and low paying jobs.

    Obama has NO Credentials, but he is not the real problem. The real problem facing the United States and our citizens is the Federal Reserve. If they were closed that would remove the IRS. Then we need to close 11 of the 16 Federal Departments to include all Federal Agencies that have NO Constitutional Authority. That is the vast majority to include the BLM, Forest Service, TSA and many more.. In fact we have about 126 Federal Policing Agencies that work on Policy and no Constitutional Authority.

    We have 56 Independent Establishment and Government Corporations and the vast majority can go away and we would never miss them.

    Why are we bankrupt? Simply because this country Can not Work under Federal control.

    Our US Constitution is not a living document. It can be amended and policies as well as laws may be written but in order for them to be legal, they must be constitutional and that means they must be in full agreement with the Constitution. Without the Constitution we have no Nation; No State, no life.

    OBAMA – No Credentials: Criminal – Needs to be arrested and tried for his crimes against the US and our Citizens.
    CONGRESS – Bought and Paid for. Voting records need to be reviewed and those who have voted against the Constitution need to be arrested and tried. Convictions and punishment should be commensurate with the damage they have done.

    Returned to:
    Limited Government – Government can own No Land. The Federal Government may only control 10 Square Miles of Washington DC and within States by following the US Constitution: Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17.

    To Impeach Obama would be to justify his presidency. Since he can not justify his presidency by qualifying documentation, he needs to be arrested.

  22. Don't whine says:

    REVOLUTION NOW!!!

  23. CYNICALZ says:

    Is your congressman standing strong with state rights? Your vote control their pay checks.

  24. Chandler says:

    It is far past time that the States flex there Constitutional rights to there lands. The feds do not have the right to ownership of any land and it should of been kept that way. The bases should be leased by the government not owned. Again the Politicians have been the downfall of our constitution, and the laws of the land tilting miss representing the letter of the law to get there way.. When a government Politicians and the like feel like they have the power to ignore our laws of the land and our Constitution it is far past time for the Federal Government to be disbanded and a new more workable government much much smaller one to be voted on by the LEGAL CITIZENS OF each state within THE UNITED STATES (NO ILLEGALS like Obama that forged and lied his way into office after having his life sealed by a federal judge.( THAT MEANS ALL STATES TO TAKE CONTROL of there parks and lands with in there State. UNTIL A NEW GOVERNMENT CAN BE LEGALLY INSTATED and a boundary set on what legal responsibilities that the have and no more. It was intended by our States banding together to make a country that the Politicians started thinking that they were smarter and bedder than the average citizen. That we the people would and could be led to to do there bidding. It is far past time that the true legal citizens take control of our own destiny as our founding fathers wanted for us.Wake up america our Country our laws and our Constitution are being destroyed by Politicians most of all. with the help of illegals and outside influences. Our government is full of Communist/Socialist, Muslims and oh so much more. This was done so that a take over of our freedom could be completed with out much of a fight. Well if that is what you want let the illegal government and politicians continue. If not then you had better be ready to take our country back and soon.

  25. Randy says:

    It’s about time our states started to use their rights and took back the land that should have belonged to the states in the first place..Every state should start making the change right away to reclaim ownership of their lands as soon as possible….Finally we may be moving in the right direction…It is about time for this…The way I understand, the Fed. gov. can’t own any land within any state except for a 10 X 10 square mile parcel of land and that is for the use of military bases only. Take it all back..

  26. Chandler says:

    Just so everyone understands the Feds have taken our land we the people did not give them our lands. The State owns the land within it’s borders and the legal citizens with in the States borders and pay taxes own the land. We the people must restructure Federal government into a much,much smaller government. Our government works for us not the other way around.To much corruption in the Senate and the House on both sides of the isle. To much corruption in the White house and in all government, time to clean out our government and make it more manageable honorable institution.

  27. Dennis Marler says:

    the feds don’t own the Land in America the People Do, But you have to start raising hell so they know you mean what you say or they’ll take ever thing away from you and your family. It belongs to we the People who they work and get paid through, so always remember it is WE THE PEOPLE not they the government you can call every one of them in DC and let your Voice be heard.

  28. Chandler says:

    The government is not suppose to own any land. The land belongs to the States that it is located in. The Government is charged to help the states not rule over them and take what they want. Wake up governors of the States, take your power back.

  29. Chandler says:

    You are not going to believe this CRAP. Here we go again with a government intimidation of a land owner. You can Google this for yourself( Wyoming welder and land owner threatened with a 75,000 dollar a day until he removes his pond that his State said that the man was in complience with the State and it was legal for him to build and maintain it. Talk about corruption and intimidation and bulling BLM and EPA, Internal revenue and god who know what is deliberately trying to remove the legal citizens right on a daily basis.

  30. Chandler says:

    Google it Government intimidating land owner in Wyoming for pond on his own land.

  31. Chandler says:

    Wyoming man threatened by government EPA 75.000 a day fine for his pond on his own land.

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